Why do many committed feminists not consider shaving their armpits a must?

Why do many committed feminists not consider shaving their armpits a must?

Professor Virginia Braun Inaugural Lecture

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Answer 1
March, 2021

The meaning of feminism is to love and respect yourself, to be the way you want

if you want to shave your armpits - shave, if you don't want - don't shave. if you want - work as a welder, if you don't want - don't work. and no one should reproach you for anything.

Feminism - for the right to choose.

Answer 2
March, 2021

Many convinced feminists struggle with problems that do not exist, or rather, that exist only for committed feminists. The problem of the existence of the ideal of beauty, of beauty standards is a problem only for feminists. The ideal (including the aesthetic one) of a woman, the ideal of a man, the ideal of man as such has always existed, although it was different for each era. And the ideal of a woman was always one way or another based on her gender, and so was the ideal of a man. And this ideal has always been correlated with society's ideas about beauty at this particular stage of development of this society, although each time the beautiful was understood in different ways. What is the problem, if now the society understands beauty as it understands it? Why fight it? Why make a banner, a position, a pose out of this, flaunt it, create movements, create entire communities, why bother with it like that? Why shave your armpits as the work of your life when you can just shave them? What about when a society makes demands on a person's inner content or behavior? You might think that the standard of beauty is the only standard that exists in society. There are laws, there are more local rules, there are ethical norms, norms of behavior, etc. Why don't feminists start breaking them in protest, especially when you consider that a significant number of rules are set by men?

In reality, everything that concerns appearance, which is also inextricably linked with hygiene, lies not only in the plane of beauty standards, but also in the plane of the rules of behavior, the rules of human society, in the plane of the presence or lack of respect for others. At the same time, unfortunately, they forget the good truth that self-respect begins with respect for others. In my understanding, not shaving your armpits is not respecting those with whom you live and those with whom you interact. You think you don’t smell because you don’t feel your sweat, but I can feel it when I’m around. And believe me, mixed with the smell of deodorant, it is even more disgusting. Yes, there are people who do not sweat very much, or perspire, but practically do not smell, but there are few of them, and most likely it is not you. And I don’t want to watch you hold onto the handrails in the subway with your unshaven armpits in the summer. You want to prove something to the peasants, but what have I to do with it? I'm not a man, but the sight of your thickets makes me sick. Is your body your business? Okay. Then why not go further - don't cut your nails, don't do a manicure, don't brush your teeth, don't use toilet paper, don't wash your hair, don't use pads, don't fight acne - then you certainly won't fit into the existing beauty standard, as well as and existing norms of behavior, and no man - a fucking sexist will humiliate you by seeing a woman in you. And further. It seems to me that these women - feminists, body positivists, are cunning, first of all, to themselves. I may be mistaken, but it seems that all thisnihilism, protest against men is caused by some kind of psychological trauma, disturbed models of behavior in the family, traumatized by sexuality, complexes, offenses inflicted by men, and other similar things that are worked out with the analyst. In itself, the unwillingness to shave the armpits is, well, maybe your quirk or fad or stupidity, but the unwillingness to shave the armpits as a position, as a way to prove something to the world or to men - this should be alarming. In my opinion, this is such a sophisticated form of self-defense, the essence of which in its most simplified form boils down to the idea "it is not me who is unattractive and uninteresting to men as a woman / it is not me who is afraid of relationships with men and I want to isolate myself from them by all means / this is not my sexuality. accepts a man as such - and I'm just such a free personality, not subject to standards. These are the men (who are all sexists) do not need me, but they do not need me "(although this is 100% the opposite, especially if you look at all zealous deliberately demonstrated ugliness). Summing up - to the main reasons I would attribute the inability to behave in society and disrespect for others; various psychological problems that require resolution and are resolved in this way due to the inability to solve them otherwise (for example, working with an analyst); well, yes, and a riot for the sake of riot, inventing a problem, fighting windmills, but this usually goes away later; a combination of all or several of the reasons listed.

Answer 3
March, 2021

Because it was Karl Marx who needed to dodge and write "Capital". Today, armpits are enough, and now - you already have your own philosophical system, and you are no longer just like that, but with an idea. It's good to be with an idea, but without an idea it's bad, the bearded ancient Greeks invented it. The traditionally progressive hipster community here will negate me, but how clearly it is noticeable that all the formats of women's struggle for their rights were invented by men even before Christ's birth.

Answer 4
March, 2021

ANY person has the right not to shave parts of his body. There is no clean-shaven person, because hairs cover our entire body, even in those places where you never thought. Therefore, I do not see a problem, unshaven armpits are normal. Unshaven legs are normal. If a person does not want irritation from a razor, from deodorant, this is normal. I myself shave my armpits, but purely for myself. Yes, I know that some feminists do not have a girl doing "patriarchal" things for herself, but I am convinced that no one will force me to shave where I do not want. It's just that I'm more comfortable this way, I have no irritation. And the fact that someone does not want to shave them is his own business, no one should go into it.

Answer 5
March, 2021

Because now in fashion, when a woman has all the appropriate places shaved, and feminists believe that a "smooth" woman is one of the manifestations of sexism and oppression of women by patriarchy, and unshaven armpits are a form of protest against modern fashion

Answer 6
March, 2021

because they love themselves ^ _ ^

it has long been proven by doctors that shaving is not a hygienic procedure and does much more harm than good.

who do not want to injure themselves, following fashionable stereotypes, she does not shave.

Answer 7
March, 2021

Well, for about the same reason why men do not shave. Earlier they wrote that there is such a thing as sweat, and the hair perfectly absorbs the smell. So why don't most men shave their armpits?

Men's sweat smells too, armpit hair sticks out, but for some reason it doesn't annoy anyone. And there are whole forests there, I don't have so much hair on my head.

And I, as a woman, have to twist in front of the mirror, raising my hand so that the skin tightens and to see where I shave, especially if non-dominant hand. Then, most likely, there will be irritation (it will be so for me), and then the hairs will grow back and poke into the skin, because the armpit is bent. And then, after training, I will still smell.

And why all these body movements?

So that someone who has sniffed dozens of men's armpits (at a distance, of course), smelled less mine?

Now, if this is a universal code of courtesy - no question. Do not chomp at the table, do not stink armpits. We will all walk together, sparkle with shaved armpits.

Well, if you approach from a slightly more serious and social point of view, shaving armpits by women has nothing to do with hygiene. Also say that shaving your legs is connected. And what, drops of dirt, sweaty knees - cyclists for some reason shave. It will be necessary to throw this argument to the supporters of the obligatory shaving of the legs. So, all this shaving is a large and large-scale standard of beauty. That is, we are encouraged to spend our personal money and time in order to correspond to the semi-pedophile image of the ideal woman, invented long ago (mainly by marketers and other salespeople). And think how well-thought-out: it is ideal, only with a bunch of cosmetics, creams, razors, epilators, and teas for weight loss. That's how much you can sniff, otherwise she is a terrible, fat, feminist, hubby woman with forty cats. And it could be worthy of a meiblin.

And we just don't want to support this myth, this industry. And yes, we are lazy and broke, and we simply can afford not to do what we do not want, and does not really interfere with the rest.

And from the sweat of souls it still helps a lot. Especially if every day.

Answer 8
March, 2021
  1. Because for centuries no one shaved their armpits - and somehow they lived and no one found it disgusting. During the 20th century, underarm shaving came in and out of fashion. So, since something is created by nature, is it worth changing? As for the smell, this is nonsense - hygiene, proper deodorant - and there is no problem. Clean hair is as clean as skin.

  2. There are enough people who like the way hairy armpits look. It's a challenge, it's some wild, uncivilized detail, it's sexy in its own way. Something that makes us related to the animal. Madonna used to wear armpit hair in her youth and it looked great on her.

  3. Shaving can be a terrible irritation with bleeding sores. Creams do not remove hair from everyone, wax, sugar are painful and also not always effective. And then the ingrown hair is just a fairy tale. Of course, they are more often on the pubis, but it all depends on the type of skin. And even from regular depilation, pigmentation spots can form on the skin due to constant injury. Then get rid of these spots in order to comply with the "canons". Why torture yourself?

  4. Well, yes, if you are a feminist, then this is also a riot. Men don't shave their armpits - why should we? Why should you spend a lot of money on painful procedures? You choose how you walk - if you want, you can choose your hair. You don't have to be cute, sleek and feminine. Society says hairy armpits will rob you of your sexuality. Come on. You can have sex with someone who loves your armpits, or someone who also has hairy armpits, or you may not need anyone at all, and you are just embarrassed to admit it.

Something like this.

Answer 9
March, 2021

One of the main ideas of feminism is that a woman does not have to comply with generally accepted stereotypes and ideas about ideal appearance, which include shaving armpits and other things. Feminism presupposes free choice in this and many other issues, and if feminists shave something or, on the contrary, do not shave, they just do as they feel comfortable, without regard to "a woman should be such and such." And this does not mean that all feminists have hairy armpits

Answer 10
March, 2021

Shaving them or not shaving them should be a free choice. How often unshaved feminist armpits are discussed suggests that society is not comfortable with unshaven armpits, despite the fact that many argue that they do not care. In today's world, with the ability to shower and use antiperspirant daily, underarm shaving is not an integral part of hygiene. This is largely a matter of aesthetics and tradition. Resentment against unshaven armpits is the imposition of your aesthetic point of view. It is necessary to separate the issue of unshaven armpits from the issue of hygiene, and make specific claims about the unpleasant odor, because it can be avoided in other ways. Many men do not shave their armpits, however, not all of them ooze sweat.

Answer 11
March, 2021

I will share my opinion, I do not pretend to be facts, but still I will operate with something, and yes, I will start from afar:

There is such a thing - the smell of sweat, it can depend on a lot of things, on individual trait and diet, from the environment, in general, I opened the wiki and looked through what "sweat" is.

It can also depend on whether a person is healthy or sick.

In principle , if you are healthy and have just sweated - no one smells anything, but after a while, when the bacteria multiplying processes begin, then either the smell will be sharp, or neutral, or it will seem pleasant to the perceiver.

The last option depends more on histocompatibility and gender of the perceiver. Histocompatibility is the key to stronger immunity.

https://books.google.ru/books?id=AcgS7w-O7icC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%81%D1 % 82% D0% BE% D1% 81% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0% BC% D0% B5% D1% 81% D1% 82% D0% B8% D0% BC% D0% BE% D1% 81 % D1% 82% D1% 8C +% D0% B8 +% D0% B7% D0% B0% D0% BF% D0% B0% D1% 85 & source = bl & ots = oCcuhewtnf & sig = rY3S9r0dLHh_nK1GKXXpw6xG3c0 & hl = ru & sa = X & ved = 0ahUKEwjI84v3r7rKAhWjmHIKHb_7DLA4ChDoAQhKMAk # v = onepage & q =% D0% B3% D0% B8% D1% 81% D1% 82% D0% BE% D1% 81% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0% BC% D0% B5% D1% 81% D1% 82% D0% B8% D0% BC% D0% BE% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 8C% 20% D0% B8% 20% D0% B7% D0% B0% D0% BF% D0% B0% D1% 85 & f = false

And also here:

https://books.google.ru/books?id=9K49CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT547&lpg=PT547&dq=%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1% 81% D1% 82% D0% BE% D1% 81% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0% BC% D0% B5% D1% 81% D1% 82% D0% B8% D0% BC% D0% BE% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 8C +% D0% B8 +% D0% B7% D0% B0% D0% BF% D0% B0% D1% 85 & source = bl & ots = BB67kKpqk5 & sig = DWnmU-BtlkHi6h3M3YbFhmW3 & uvedUKE IXsrrrKAhWF8XIKHZKvCBkQ6AEIRDAH # v = onepage & q =% D0% B3% D0% B8% D1% 81% D1% 82% D0% BE% D1% 81% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0% BC% D0% B5% D1% 81 % D1% 82% D0% B8% D0% BC% D0% BE% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 8C% 20% D0% B8% 20% D0% B7% D0% B0% D0% BF% D0% B0% D1% 85 & f = false

This suggests that the smell is a rather intimate thing. And just as we put on clothes, it is worth covering it.

Not everyone will like it, it can bring discomfort to others.

What does shaving armpits have to do with it? Hair accumulates odors well, although I heard that if you do not shave your armpits, then the sweat glands will adapt and you will sweat less, but there’s zero sense from this, the bare armpit is easier to treat with deodorant, easier to wash, but yes, it sweats more, although this arguably, it cools better. Hairy armpit loses in this regard.

These are quite important aspects that determine the attractiveness of shaved armpits. Of course, there are people who do not care if a woman, like a man, in a word, if a person properly cares for a hairy armpit, and all these things associated with the discomfort from the smell will not be noticed, well, let him not shave.

Otherwise, let him not shave, he is free, and I am free to stop contact with him, in order to avoid discomfort from his smell. This is the same for women and for men.

By the way, I shave, and not only my armpits, and the decision to "shave the second type" was not aesthetic at all. It was hygienic. It turned out that this is much more convenient, etc.also monitor intimate hygiene. Therefore, looking at hairy armpits, that women, that men, I imagine exactly what a person probably wants to get hemorrhoids with hygiene, to hell with beauty, the standards are rather arbitrary.

Thus, I come to the conclusion that unshaven the armpits of a woman claiming to be a feminist is a protest. Feminism is a pretty correct thing in essence, but you can express your position in other ways. Although the gesture is characteristic, symbolic, but damn it ... it's also more difficult to take care of yourself. And if you pierce, then most likely you will bring discomfort to others. And it will be difficult for me to listen to your position and delve into it if you pierce with this self-care directly close to me.

But I will try, of course, I must respect your gesture, unlike you, not respecting my comfort.

Answer 12
March, 2021

Everything is elementary - for feminists this is a protest about the so-called "beauty standards" in society, which do not include much, including unshaven armpits.

Therefore, it is implied that if everyone stops shaving them , these standards will sink into oblivion.

Answer 13
March, 2021

This popularization came from the American radical feminist Andrea Dvorkin, who seriously believed that shaving is a manifestation of male hegemony that needs to be eradicated.

Answer 14
March, 2021

Because the armpits can be shaved, or not shaved. Both are very beautiful. Someone more like shaved, someone not shaved. Shaving is more annoying and hassle-free.

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