What do you think about the fact that in the future it will be possible to preserve all the memory and perceptions of a person and write it into a new body?

What do you think about the fact that in the future it will be possible to preserve all the memory and perceptions of a person and write it into a new body?

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answers (22)

Answer 1
January, 2021

A very difficult question. Our thoughts are part of the complex neural architecture of the brain. In order to provide a similar thinking process within the framework of a new biological body, an identical structure of the donor's brain will be required, down to individual neurons. Otherwise, the transfer of memory IMHO will be tantamount to installing MacOS on Intel processors (in such a metaphor, I may be mistaken because I am not an expert) . If the recipient of memory is an artificial storage with a processor with sufficient processing power to replace the brain and an operating system capable of imitating the real process of human thinking with all its disadvantages and advantages, then perhaps this is possible, although there is little practical benefit. This technology can be used to compensate for the loss of deceased relatives (here it is worth thinking about the ethical side of the issue) , but keeping the minds of great scientists at this level of technology development is pointless, since they can be more successfully replaced by artificial intelligence with access to all known digitized information.

As my predecessors unsubscribed, the subjective immortality of the original consciousness cannot be achieved anyway. After all, the copying process does not imply the loss of the copied data by the original carrier. Thus, due to this technology, we can theoretically achieve the emergence of two subjects with the same life experience and memory, which, however, will recognize themselves separately from each other - as different consciousnesses, and, in the future, will develop in different ways. That is, having a copy in your possession does not free you from life or death, after which your double may continue to live with your memory, but you will not care. Although if you want to leave a mark on the ground after your biological death, this is a better option than a monument.

Answer 2
January, 2021

I think I would gladly take this opportunity. Although I do not believe in it to the end. The question is where to get the body and where will its "stuffing" go. That is, I will live in a person in whom a person was killed?

There is still such a moment that a huge number of our personality traits are associated with the body (if not all). For example, the required adrenaline level (and, therefore, the position on the quiet / extreme scale) is determined genetically and is associated with receptor sensitivity. The level of resistance to stress / emotionality is directly related to hormones. Intelligence is linked to the brain. What can we say about the fact that we are affected by gender, age, health, size, weight, metabolic rate, and so on, and so on, and so on!

That is, moving from one body to another , my personal will inevitably change, adjust to the new body. Memory, by the way, is also associated with the body. What my body once did and felt becomes a memory not only in the head, but also in the muscles, even in the bones. So I lie on my left side, my head on my hand, I look at the monitor. I move the mouse with my right hand. my body remembers how it is done, moreover, the frequent repetition of this action changed my body. The side of the body was stretched, the spine was slightly curved. If I lie on my left side, I will feel that something is wrong. Although I remember how to lie on your side, this is not the right side. It is not stretched in the same way. Its shape is somewhat different. It does not fit properly, it turns out uncomfortable and unpleasant. But if I get a new body, then trying to lie on either side will feel wrong. Trying to walk, and that will lead to a bunch of unexpected sensations. Walking is so automated by adulthood that we no longer remember how difficult it was with those naughty legs. And we don't know how different someone else's legs are from ours, and their sensations and capabilities, too. And so in everything.

What will happen after the conflict between memory and body? I think we will be able to integrate and use part of the memory in new conditions. For example, learning to speak and walk will take less time than in childhood. Some of the memory will go away. It will be forgotten. There are no clues to pull out a memory, no memory. At least the muscle memories of the new body should be added.

There may be such a strong discrepancy that it will be unbearable to be in a new body.

Answer 3
January, 2021

Everything is moving by leaps and bounds to ensure that the consciousness and memory of the individual was copied and transferred to a "new" body. Most likely, the body will be a biological robot - a vessel. Also, for a start, a person will probably be transferred to a computer network and only then will they be equipped with a body as a tool for interacting with the outside world.

Answer 4
January, 2021

It seems to me that this will already be a new branch of evolution, a person will die out giving way to a creature with new abilities, such as, for example, adjusting his own data.

Answer 5
January, 2021

Without touching on the technical side of the issue, and theorizing "Will I be in a new body or just my memories", I want to note that death is an integral and necessary part of life. Running from death is like running from growing up and thinking of yourself as a little child to old age, some kind of cowardice. Even if someone finds a way to enroll me on a new body, without urgent need (that is, without a case when I obviously do not have time to do something in this life), I would not use it. Beyond the threshold of death, nevertheless, there is a lot more interesting than in this life, which in the end we will have already tried everything.

Answer 6
January, 2021

the human body is mortal. but there is a theory that the human brain can live much longer. and there are already real beginnings of the development of special vacuums for keeping the brain. what for? - just think - you can use the experiences of past years, the advice of the most experienced minds, etc.
if this is really so and the brain can live much longer than the body, and work on pills for immortality (which can extend our life by 200-300 years) has already started. organs are now quite easy to implant. but not only that - almost all organs can be grown! we are still very limited in the material - that is, there is not enough for everyone. but less than a century ago, the computer was a huge machine, very expensive and inaccessible to the masses. long live progress - now we can shove it into our pockets.
so that a significant lengthening of life - I think, a rather close and very real future.
There is still such a thing (my dream) - a cyborg man. science now easily replaces parts of the body - arms, legs, organs, which function completely normally. so why not replace ALL parts of the body, except the brain (by the way, such parts can be easily changed!)

forward into a modernized future, where there is no place for disease, war and work!)))

Answer 7
January, 2021

This complex problem needs to be divided into several components. The first is actually the creation of an analogue of the human brain, where you can transfer human consciousness, a conditionally empty hard disk. In theory, it's only a matter of time. Sooner or later, technologies will develop to such an extent that it will be possible to create either a biological "blank" by growing a clone from stem cells or an electronic analogue where you can rewrite memories, knowledge, etc., everything that is stored in the human brain.

The second problem is rather philosophical. What is personality? Even Descartes proposed the dualism of human nature, i.e. body and mind are dissimilar substances, each functioning according to its own laws - material and spiritual. However, with the development of neurobiology, at one time, purely materialistic views dominated, i.e. it was believed that the personality is a set of activities of completely material objects - the human brain. Recently, however, scientists have appeared who deny a purely material approach to the problem. The philosophy of consciousness is an interesting topic, the main one in modern philosophy. Having answered this question, one can understand whether it is possible to transfer a person to an artificial medium. Imagine that you are connected to a computer, copied the contents of the brain and transferred using the copy-paste method, for example, into an artificially grown body - an avatar. Try to answer the question of what happens next. Whose eyes will you look at the outside world - with your own eyes or through the eyes of an avatar? Or maybe at the moment of transfer you "old" will die and wake up in a new body? Or maybe your mind will split like Siamese twins and you can be in both bodies at the same time.

In general, for now, there are more questions than answers.

Answer 8
January, 2021

As it seems, Sheldon Cooper said: "There is a problem with teleportation." In short, the point is that when we transfer consciousness from one carrier to another, we do not have an exact understanding of what happens to the original personality. She is dying?

Basically, we are talking about a subtype of cloning, only in digital form. Accordingly, whether you need a digital clone of yourself or not is another matter. But your original "I" will not be able to gain immortality in this way due to the binding of consciousness to the biological material of your body.

But in general, of course, this is wildly interesting. So far, we know little about what consciousness is, where it comes from, how to recreate it. When we understand, then we can do the transfer.

Answer 9
January, 2021

Well, about the "imminent future" you probably hurried :-) - let's first learn to preserve the memory and structure of consciousness. This will allow at least to begin "beta testing" such a "backed-up" consciousness. First, to find out if the copy is a working algorithm or just a bunch of ones and ones. Secondly, in order to clarify whether such a copy is a person or just a program - data + processing algorithm. And thirdly, in order to avoid various surprises like the desire to kill everyone or take over the whole world :-)

Answer 10
January, 2021

I think I've had enough answers, Maxim.

For those who want to minus - I received a notification that Maxim wants me to answer his question about myself in my own body. I answered. And then another notification comes, they say, answer this question again.

Pot, a) don't cook, b) there were a lot of questions on this topic, one of them was asked by me :-) And then a man came running into my answers, who started to throw me links, which is like , repeat, there were already such questions. And another person (a girl-moderator) for some reason put a stupid robot as a picture. Originally there were awesome neurons. Anyway.

I'm not a fan of poking people around like that. But now I can't resist.

I don't know how to quote TheQ questions. Who knows, share how.

I am not an expert and I don’t want to be one (respectively, I didn’t subscribe). If you, Maxim, did not invite me to answer questions, excuse me. Then a request to someone from the TheQ administration to fix this jamb. Thank you.

Answer 11
January, 2021

Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly who, but one of the classics of American fiction has a story about how a new type of tourism became possible - you are transferred to the body of an intelligent being from another planet, while preserving your consciousness, memory and perception. It seems to me that in addition to new opportunities in medicine (healing the terminally ill, technical immortality), science (the ability to conduct deadly tests on a person, having previously duplicated his consciousness and making a copy of the body) and theology (revising the question of the presence of a soul and the place of the creator in the human world) will be very common, especially after the appearance of relatively cheap / artisanal ways of transporting consciousness and memory, theft of bodies or memory and consciousness from people. Imagine that terrorists instill the consciousness of their leader into the body of the president of a country, and the consciousness of the president is instilled into the body of a person chained to a pillar. Or they steal the consciousness of a famous pianist and demand a ransom - a kind of soulnapping. Again, if we consider a person to be no more than an animal, then, for the joy of the soulless rich or to raise the rating of certain media spaces, it is possible to move the minds into the bodies of animals and vice versa.

Answer 12
January, 2021

I am working on a game project heavily tied to this topic. There will certainly be such an opportunity in the future, let's look at a few interesting points:

  1. Let's imagine you have a dangerous profession, for example, you are a soldier. You can create your copy, as if to save, before going on the next task. Who would have been poisoned on a mission, and who remained in suspended animation (for example, this is how they keep doubles)? Could you trust your copy that it will risk itself for your goals, and that then will return to you, and not take your place in society? And if you go on a mission and die there, will it be a consolation for you that a copy will take your place?

  2. Let's imagine you can create your own copy and it will be a full-fledged member of society, like you. What settings would you give yourself before copying and how would you agree to share housing, friends, loved ones? And if there was no way (they say I gave him life, let him make his own friends, etc.), are you sure that this will suit you as a copy?

  3. Suppose you created your copy and already successfully coexist with it. If she commits a crime, and no abnormalities in her psyche are revealed, should you be held responsible?

  4. If you are a valuable employee and some company offers to create a copy of you so that it works for them. The copy will be provided with everything you need for a quality life, in addition, you will receive dividends. Would you agree?

But in general, I think this technology is inevitable. Because biological immortality, even in very safe conditions, will not last more than a few hundred years, people will die from accidents, etc. So, people will most likely have their own doubles in test tubes, to which they will regularly add to the memory acquired since their inception in order to maintain the relevance of their personality to their own. Most likely, there will be problems with data transfer for a long time, because it is likely that to read them, a person will need to be "turned off" for a while to stop brain activity, otherwise it is dangerous and the probability of errors greatly increases. By the way, from the point of view of biology, it will be possible to completely stop activity in a living brain without killing it only when freezing, but not the fact that in this state it will be possible to count something.

Most likely, there will be a record during brain activity (for example, a chip), but it will be considered of lower quality, and it is unlikely to contain the entire personality map, only memory, possibly only sensory (visual and other).

Well, with moral issues, people will quickly get used to and develop some generally accepted attitude to this, because the process itself can be said to be inevitable. Even if people become robots or go completely into the digital world, the problem of self-preservation will remain relevant. Everything breaks down sooner or later - and we cannot say for sure when this will happen if the world remains at least as diverse as it is now.

Answer 13
January, 2021

If you try to transfer a person to an artificially created body, then a certain thing will turn out - some information will be transferred, namely, the memory of the first person. That is, information about past interaction with the external environment, about past actions, about past thoughts, feelings, emotions. Personality itself is not the past. Personality is an actor. Decision-making, action-making consciousness (soul, if you will). That is, the question is on the following plane: is it possible to transfer information about a person to another body, to transfer to a new body the person itself, living and acting. The question of the soul.

There are two options, as usual. It is possible or not.

My argument is that if this is possible (and I am convinced of this possibility), then it has been around for a long time. It exists in the form of a natural continuation of life after the death of the body. Why is that? Because immortality, or vice versa, mortality, both of people and other living beings, is a fundamental condition of the Universe. Condition of the system of which we are a part. Fundamental conditions cannot occur over a period of time. They are systemic conditions set from the beginning of time.

My answer is unequivocal - if we are talking about the possibility of rewriting a person to another medium (body), then this is possible exclusively and only naturally - after what we now call death. So all attempts to do this by people are doomed to failure. If immortality is already a condition of our existence, then the duplicate function is excluded, since it interferes with this fundamental condition as it is. In other words, you must first die and then be reborn.

If we talk simply about recording information from the first person to the second person (alive and well), then I do not see any technical obstacles to this. Another thing is, if these are very significant amounts of information, in the years and years of life, then an ethical problem arises regarding the transformation of the personality.

Answer 14
January, 2021

I think, in the distant future, most likely yes, because science is developing, it may well be.

The main condition is that the initial age of the body and the choice - the possibility of aging or statism is determined by the owner of the same body

I guess, I guess, a fabric will be created that either does not age, or ages beautifully, depending on the wishes of the owner of the body.

Answer 15
January, 2021

Here some have written about the achievement, thus, of immortality.
I will allow myself to add some skepticism.
Are you sure that it will be you, and not someone with your memories?
It seems to me that it will not be you at all.
Would you like someone else to have access to your memories, to everyone without exception? On the other hand, do you want to become the owner of someone else's memory, even if you are disappointed in your donor? How will someone else's memory affect the recipient's mental state?

It seems to me that if the goal is to achieve immortality, then this path is at least controversial, if not dead-end at all.

Answer 16
January, 2021

What an interesting question!

It would be a good prospect, I think :) After all, we are not bodies endowed with a soul - we are souls enclosed in a body. And the body is mortal, short-lived, and generally fragile. A person fell ill with something fatal or suddenly became disabled - once! and simply changed the "place of residence" of the soul. So, probably, there would be fewer unhappy people) But so that humans do not overflow their population, a limitation is necessary - the body can be changed, for example, once in a lifetime or as much as you want, but life is not more than 100 years. In general, there are many subtleties)

If you can overwrite, then, perhaps, probably, it will be possible to edit. That is, to erase unpleasant memories, psychological trauma, or even any diseases - schizophrenia, etc. ...

But on the other hand, there is a danger of false memories being "hooked on". What if the state or individuals want a person to think that any beliefs or ideas were originally in his head? A dangerous and twofold situation.

In general, as such an idea seems to me not bad, but any opportunity is a tool that, in different hands, can be both good and universal evil.

Answer 17
January, 2021

I think / hope that with the resurrection of the flesh after the Day of Judgment, this is exactly what will happen - my (our) memory will be preserved; it will probably be reformatted somehow. The Scripture does not directly say anything about this, just as it does not follow from it that all the resurrected will be some kind of zombie - then the resurrection loses its meaning. Scripture gives a hint: Jesus was resurrected and dwelt for some time with the apostles and other disciples before ascending. Throughout this time, He was the same as before the execution - outwardly and in substance. Moreover, He did several important things, in particular, He created the Church and converted Saul.

Answer 18
January, 2021

Some problems about "fast":

  • The brain's memory also contains information about the previous medium, or rather, it is adapted for it (for example, vision, hearing). It turns out you will need to install firewood or compatibility mode.

  • What if errors occur during a memory transaction? Will interrupt or formatting will not work ... Compression always causes errors, bad sectors. We also couldn't protect computers from this, let alone the brain.

  • What if someone wants to create their own copies? The plot of a classic horror movie with cloning.

Answer 19
January, 2021

I think that would be perfectly appropriate. If we are talking about an electronic new body, then, for example, it would be possible to fly to the Alpha Centauri.

But I hope this can be done only at the request of this person. Otherwise, a wild confusion with passwords and intellectual property will start.

Answer 20
January, 2021

I don't think it will be available anytime soon. Well, if such accessibility appears, it will be very expensive and there will be an illegal market for the sale of bodies. Clandestine cloning may begin to develop. All this has been repeatedly described by science fiction writers.

Answer 21
January, 2021

I think that this is part of the eternal struggle of man with death, the desire to conquer it. The body dies, but we can continue to exist in another body. I am not a man of science, probably soon it will be possible. The mistake of scientists is that they treat a person like a computer, which is not at all the same thing. We are more complex than a computer, more contradictory, we are not just keepers of some information, memory and perception - these are far from all the components of a person. How it will look (if you transfer information from one body to another), is presented in many science fiction films. In my opinion, it will only be a pathetic parody of the original, or it will develop into a completely different personality.

Answer 22
January, 2021

I think this is wonderful, interesting, gives food for concern and a lot of public discussions and artistic conflicts, will save someone, spawn a movement of "super volunteers" (who will provide their bodies to dying geniuses) and is unlikely to happen in the near future.

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